Just about DONE!

[RickeyBoy 0]

Welly welly well? Where to start. First, I?d like to explain why I haven?t answered any posts since my last, which by the way I appreciated all your support to my genuine concern for the zone. I wanted to give Mackie and his? staff, a chance to put their money where their mouths are and do something for a change. Mackie had words I respected a lot, and had a lot of initiatives in his post I was eager to see, so I thought that giving him some room and letting him do it was the best thing to do.

 

It appears I was horribly wrong.

 

Now, to get this straight, Im not here to burn anyone, Im not here to flame anything. However, I am here to say things as they are in attempt to get things moving and hope for the best. Now, Ill explain to the best of my ability what has been happening in the last week.

 

In reaction to Mackie?s post, it was clear to some of us what had to be done and in good faith in Mackie?s words we were willing to compromise with him and do things ?HIS WAY?. Raynor proceeded to discussing the situation of the staff, which is the major issue here. Mackie had no real plan or solution, simply a little inclination to change it, in some way or another. Ray had a few ideas and Mackie agreed with them, so he went on writing a sweet ass document about ideas on how to make an active staff, that not only REACTS, but takes initiatives and makes the zone alive again. He showed me this document, I added ideas etc.

 

The general jest of the document was a total reorganisation of the staff, how it uses it?s powers and the social standings of the mods within it. It was basically thought of so we could use every opportunity that is offered to us, and not simply those that come and offer themselves on a golden platter. We had candidates for every post, descriptions of every post, how they would interact with each other. Basically everything you could ever need as information concerning this. We even went to some players, asked them if they would be motivated enough to do some of these jobs. Basically, we put our hands in the dirt and started re-building.

 

At this point, I was hopeful, so the document is sent to Mackie. The reaction was less than we hoped for. I won?t be going into too many details. But we did not ask Mackie to disband his whole staff, we did not look to replace some of the players he relies on. We wanted to created new roles that would take the work that Mackie and his staff are unable to do right now (Because it?s too much legwork---from their mouths).

 

It?s good to say something, it?s a whole other thing to actually do it. What has changed since last week is Mackie maybe wanting to add a few mods.. that?s not good enough. Look, the map Ray and the settings PL did have seemed to have a positive effect on the population of the zone. I don?t like them, but they helped a bit. This will be a short term change. THIS WILL NOT LAST FOREVER SO THAT MEANS THAT THINGS HAVE TO MOVE NOW. Not in 2 weeks, not in a month. It is opportunities like this that we seem to miss every time they occur. The population is up a bit, do something to take advantage of it. One thing you CANT do is discuss for 3 months if the effects of a mod is a good thing on the zone.. FUCK MACKIE, ACT!!!!!!!!! DON?T TALK, ACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

We went in contact with the squad captains for input from squads and we wanted to have a group of people, non staff people motivated enough to discuss ideas to be part of a council. But, this seemed too unrealistic to Mackie and he proposed a forum so everyone could discuss things. Just like the development forum we have now? Things do not work if you make it optional and ?If you wanna do it, you have to motivate yourself? You have to implicate people and ask them for their help. Yet, the staff does not wish to do that because it said ?We do not have time for the legwork? which goes back to the staff structure we proposed. It would fix the problems if you could step on your egos(Which is hard, NO DOUBT) and accept other people to do some of the work that you just DO NOT WANT TO DO. Lack of consensus in a council is not a problem you need to concern yourself with because if there are disagreements, that mean people care and people are discussing ideas. THAT IS A GOOD THING MACKIE.

 

It?s the same thing for the website Mackie. You cannot expect people to come to you and say ?I want to be a swz reporter!!! I can bring a lot to the zone by saying my opinion on the webpage?. You or someone on your staff (see the document) that KNOWS THE PLAYERS, knows their influence and knows what people think of them, need to analyze who would be a good poster and go to them and ask them do to it, see if they would be willing. Like we proposed in the document, it could even be someone NO ONE LIKES, because this would cause rivalries etc. It?s to cause movement Mackie, waiting for people to write documents like we have is not the way to go. Thinking someone?s opinion is unworthy because they do not take 30 mins to write up an essay on it is not a valid and logical way of thinking Mackie. PEOPLE ARE NOT ROBOTS, PEOPLE ARE NOT IN THE ARMY. Some people will do that, good because they are motivated enough, but others wont BUT THEIR OPINIONS ARE STILL GOOD, THEY DON?T BECOME STUPID WHEN THEY DON?T DECIDE TO FOLLOW YOUR EXACT ?Procedures?. If you believe that because you do not have the time to test proof their ideas and you simply have time to approve or not their ideas because you are busy? SEE THE DOCUMENT, that is exactly why we say you need the help.

 

In the many attempts I tried to speak about this with you Mackie, you put a barrier up because it is ?Your staff, your responsibility?. That?s GREEEAAAAT Mackie, I don?t want to decide for you, I don?t want to take your staff, and I certainly don?t want your damn powers. I want you to USE THOSE POWERS AND NOT BE AFRAID TO LOSE THEM. I just want to give you opinions that you do not have because you just aren?t there enough. That problem is also taken care of in the document. You need to stop seeing everything as a stupid political debate or a fight for the crown!!!!!. We don?t want to take over. We want you to get off that ass and either get YOUR hands dirty or get someone that is willing to do it. We need new life as well and we need people willing to do the grunt work that you are unwilling and unable to do.

 

SIGH, When will you understand Mackie that you can?t sit there with your hands open and expect solutions to fly into them. And the worse damn thing is when they do, you are too busy thinking what influence it would have on your powers to give it the attention it deserves. Read the title Mackie, read it well and realize it?s what most people are feeling after you give them hope and take it right back by doing jack shit.

 

RickeyBoy

 

[SoM 0]

If Mackieman fix this zone or not, i dont care anymore. If he manage to get things back on track...thats cool, and if he dont i dont care. It's good that swz getting new mods that maybe will do something, i know i've come to this point that bleh...fuck it i just dont want anything to do with it anymore.

 

 

I'll hang around as a player, cause i dont enjoy being on staff anymore. What you want me to do? Host an event for 5 players? Right now its all about saving the zone from dying completely, and as a mod i dont feel like i've been able to help out or gotten anyone from upper staff or anyone at all to listen to what i've had to say.

I'm not like Pharaoh's Legacy, i wont spend 1 month making some weird settings/changes and then go to Mackieman hoping he will test them out. I had my ideas and it would take 20 minutes to talk them over and another 10 minutes to put them in play and they would probably turn out better than turning this zone into some mix of Hyperspace/SWR lookalike. So to me this aint swz anymore.

 

 

 

When you read this Mackieman or Sanka, i would like you to remove my powers for good.

 

And goodluck on getting swz back to what it used to be.

 

~Slayer

[Distributor of Pain 0]

I saw a warbird with a bomb, today. A FUCKING BOMB!

 

You're damn right this ain't star warzone anymore.

 

You get a whole bunch of centerkilling for hours and then a bunch of "vets" who are buddies get in and make a priv freq win a flag game 4v2, at best, maybe worse 5v2 or 6v2 and they win the points to get these stupid upgrades. Ugh, its sickening. I can barely even enjoy centerkilling anymore.

[Full Charge 0]

Just let SWZ hibernate untill swzl starts again.

[Leviticus 0]

key highlights:

 

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FUCK MACKIE, ACT!!!!!!!!! DON?T TALK, ACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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You cannot expect people to come to you and say ?I want to be a swz reporter!!! I can bring a lot to the zone by saying my opinion on the webpage?

 

Although I know I have pretty much done this, but gotten condenscending remarks, answers that include no hope, answers that seem like if it isn't flawless it can't be tweaked and it's useless and so was your input/time spent to try to help/volunteer to help.

 

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hings do not work if you make it optional

 

This is why we have position, posititions of responsibility, responsibility that is not optional. If you don't want the responsibility find someone that can take over your position or help you.

 

 

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PEOPLE ARE NOT ROBOTS, PEOPLE ARE NOT IN THE ARMY. Some people will do that, good because they are motivated enough, but others wont BUT THEIR OPINIONS ARE STILL GOOD, THEY DON?T BECOME STUPID WHEN THEY DON?T DECIDE TO FOLLOW YOUR EXACT ?Procedures?. If you believe that because you do not have the time to test proof their ideas and you simply have time to approve or not their ideas

 

Hmmm.... wow this goes hand in hand how I said his responses (answers) were to help... Are we seeing a pattern?

 

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if there are disagreements, that mean people care and people are discussing ideas. THAT IS A GOOD THING MACKIE.

 

Oh wow, this goes hand it hand with how i described his responses too! Nothing is perfect, but you can tell that when people are bringing up ideas or offering different things they want to help, and that's the most important thing, don't just give them the cold shoulder.

 

On that note, I need to stop. I will most likely end up deleting the post in disgust as I did last time.

 

 

levi

[Quickshot* 0]

now i don't really play anymore, but all this stupid bickering was here when i did play.

 

but what i see it is, all the people that are mainly doing the bickering are/were the ones that just sat in spec all day and didn't play.

 

so a simple answer is right in front of all of you, get the fuk out of spec and play the damn game. i realize that many of you are older now and don't really see the fun involved int his game anymore, hell i am right there with ya, that is why i quit, but if you ARE still going to play, then play. stop this stupid bickering, yes mackie suks as sysop, we have seen that for ages though, this is nothing new. deal with that, the chanegs aren't going to come within in a day.

 

suk it up, get int he game when people aren't playing, just hop in, get bty, grab flags or something, more people will play then.

 

hell at the point of when i stopped playing, spindle was dead, blackstars was an rs squad, zeta was moving more into eg and rs, orion just won swzl and stopped playing mainly, emi is dead, geno is ded, savants is just savants, and dp (the newest squad in the zone) was the only active people in there.

 

if the players of these squads would stop sitting around and writing senseless articles on the damn forums and played the game we all know and love, then the zone would have people playing in it again.

 

you are all saying, the zone is dead cause of this, cause of that. hell if may very well be cause of one of those things, but the MOST MAIN REASON is that cause all you lazy buttholes are sitting in spec all god damn day.

 

now i hear we got some new settings and a new map, take full use of these things, rather than admiring from spec, actually play the game you intended on playing when hitting enter on the main screen.

 

if you can't do such a simple idea like that, then fuk quit the game, cause it obivously is not fun for you anymore, if all you do it spec and bitch.

 

Quick*

[Distributor of Pain 0]

Problem with that QS is that the settings are all screwed now. You can only pick-up one flag which makes it hard to start anything with less than 6 people playing. If it were a year ago or even six months, I would agree with you, but this is about more than just no population. Now it is about the entire zone settings. They suck, they are anti-flagging, and pro-centering. I am not wasting my time bothering to flag in a game I know I can't win or will not be able to stick around for four, six hours to finish. Its ridiculous, and even more so when you know that you are going to see a group of four to six vet buddies come in and priv up against the remaining two people in the zone. Then they get the points and therefore upgrades and you get fucking Ztek flying around the zone for hours in a goddamn warbird with bombs!

[Quickshot* 0]

wah wah wah

 

who cares if you can get one flag at a time or all of them, learn the new settings and suk it up, or just leave. if you don't like it then don't cry bout it, either play with what u got or don't play.

 

as i can read here, most are just not playing and taking the easy way out. well screw that shit, you all like swz enough to at least give things a try, all you need is one flag to ruin a flag game for someone else, keep that in mind.

 

and NO it is not the settings, the settings for what i hear are exactly the same as normal swz settings, cept the one flag thing and the smaller ship. other than that it is fine, so take your crying elsewhere, it doesn't apply here.

 

it seems you are just looking for a reason not to play, so if you want to use your lame ass excuse then so be it, but it doesn't fly with me, hell i was around long enough to go through all the swz setting changes, cept this most recent one, and i know for a fact, that the setting changes in the past were much more of a change than the most recent one. so stop your belly aching and make the zone fun again BY PLAYING and NOT BITCHING!.

[RickeyBoy 0]

Hey Quick, thanks for the input even though you aren't around anymore, so Ill fill you in as to what is happening nowadays. People are actually playing and using the zone and no one is taking advantage of it. Even I am flagging, for christ sake I hate flagging but I still do it. Only person I've seen use zone activity is Novel doing rabbits which kept the zone alive between flag games, and only thing Ive seen said to him was a sarcastic and diminutive remark from the upper staff.

 

So, no one might have told him, but thanks Novel, your one of the only ones that care enough----props to you.

 

RickeyBoy

[Distributor of Pain 0]

QUOTE (Quickshot* @ Sep 27 2005, 11:36 AM)

wah wah wah who cares if you can get one flag at a time or all of them, learn the new settings and suk it up, or just leave. if you don't like it then don't cry bout it, either play with what u got or don't play. as i can read here, most are just not playing and taking the easy way out. well screw that shit, you all like swz enough to at least give things a try, all you need is one flag to ruin a flag game for someone else, keep that in mind. and NO it is not the settings, the settings for what i hear are exactly the same as normal swz settings, cept the one flag thing and the smaller ship. other than that it is fine, so take your crying elsewhere, it doesn't apply here. it seems you are just looking for a reason not to play, so if you want to use your lame ass excuse then so be it, but it doesn't fly with me, hell i was around long enough to go through all the swz setting changes, cept this most recent one, and i know for a fact, that the setting changes in the past were much more of a change than the most recent one. so stop your belly aching and make the zone fun again BY PLAYING and NOT BITCHING!.

You have made an excellent attempt to offend me. However, it has failed.

 

If you had yourself in the zone once in a while, you would realize that much more is different than just that. Also, I don't play in the zone anymore, with exception to centerkilling. Since this is a flagging zone, I count that as not playing. However, you may regard centering as playing since among others, you have forgotten exactly what this zone is for (flagging).

 

In any case, you have good advice. If you do not like the conditions in the zone, then leave. Players have been doing so for many years now and I will ensure that when it comes to myself, I continue that trend. Thankyou and goodnight.

[Quickshot* 0]

haha it is funny to me to see that all these people sit around and wonder why these changes have come bout. don't worry about the changes, they are changes, that is just apart of life and this game.

 

you all take it as downgrading the zone, which it may be, but they are there for sometime i am sure of that, so deal with it, this is why it is a game, it is a challenge. new settings = a challenge...as i can see many of you chose the easy way and decided to say f it and go to an easier zone in which you can survive cause you are playing mostly noobs that don't realize how to play the game ritefully.

 

anyhow, as i said it doesn't bother me in any form cause i don't play anymore, but damn guys, u like the zone, i know you do. so instead of saying f it and moving on cause the zone isn't as you remember, take on the changes, stick it out, hell you may even like the changes once bigger games get formed.

[Spirit Phantom 0]

This is my last reset in SWZ. Mackie, nice try, but you failed miserably. It's been fun, you can find me in WZ CTF, or Red Star. As for SWZ, good luck, but as long as mackie is the head it will lose more and more players. Peace out bitches.

[Leviticus 0]

QS, that was amusing. And that was amusing to me because you highlighted:

 

People that say they care (through bickering and moaning) aren't playing.

 

You don't play, you are actually retired (so you say), but you are posting on here.

 

 

I wouldn't mind seeing active mods like PL, that actually play. But the speccing afkers due boost the zone population stats a bit, and it is always amusing to try to find what priv arena they are in and flame them when no one is on but them.

 

Levi

[Raynor 0]

Quickshot you just totally missed the point. For the last 3 resets the people who reply and post here have been at the top of SWZ highscorers. I've made it to the top3 almost 3 or 4 times on row. So dont give me your bullshit about stop bitching and start playing. You cant play in a zone where the staff with its idiot sysop is too ignorant to lead it on a decent way.

 

For the last 5 or 6 weeks Mackie had over 10 times where he could do something in this zone to try and make a difference. Because of PL and Sanka one failed attempt was tried to make it work, but when sanka, mackies so called head of the staff acts like "WTF A 10 MIL GAME, NOBODY TOLD ME ABOUT THAT", then something is wrong in this zone.

 

I'm tired of trying to make a difference, I even tried it on the Mackie way but you always end up being ignored without a decent reason. Even at times when he does talk and gets cornered because he has no clue how to run his zone, he uses his silly excuse "I have a meeting". Laugh you make me sick Mackie, ruined the game for me I thank you for that.

 

Mackie, face it. The only way you got all these powers is because at one point you just happent to be at the right place at the right time. Subspace has no need for an inactive billingop or the webmaster of a very dead website, one that hardly gets updated and even loses his real name for lack of payment or some other silly reason no decent webdeveloper would ever get. I can go on about your silly subspacehq attempt, how you've failed to promote it over the years but I wont because I know that you'll ignore it.

I'll get to my point; save SWZ and leave it, let someone ACTIVE and CARING lead it. Someone who plays every now and then and has a clue what is going on in his zone instead of listening to ignorant @#$%%'s like PL and sanka when it comes down to staff matters and zone development. 2 people online in main at this time, the bot and myself, LEARN TO GET A CLUE MACKIE!

 

I'm tired of this zone and the only reason is the lack of decent staff leadership. I'm gone.

 

 

[equinox1 0]

All you people blaming mackie for the zones decline are being unfair.

 

SWZ population was dropping before 2003.

 

Losing certain staff members, V-chip, HBK, MMD, Mom and others i now can't remember, hurt the zone badly.

 

Mackie, you finally have sysop powers after years of careful positioning.

 

But what good is being zone sysop of 0 population?

 

Mackie knows what must be done.

 

Shutdown SWZ and release the older 2001 zone+ship settings to what's left of the player base.

 

Make the settings public.

 

Only by completely dying can SWZ be reborn elsewhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SoM 0]

Actully population was dropping in 2001 aswell so why dont move back to late 99' settings with privates.

[senti 0]

Aslong there is no solution, and population keeps declining. Then there's one final act that must be done.....

 

*shutdown

 

So we can all get on with our lives.

[equinox1 0]

SWZ had like 16000-18000 people enter the zone at its peak, then it dropped to 8000, 4000, 1800, 800, who knows what now 50 a reset?

 

I'd be fine with late 99 settings. btw privates killed the zone.

 

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Aslong there is no solution, and population keeps declining. Then there's one final act that must be done..... *shutdown So we can all get on with our lives.

 

We are getting on with our lives. Most of us have left college and entered the work force. We simply don't have the time to play a 2d game anymore. That's life.

 

 

Mackie seriously think about releasing the settings. Sometimes you have to let things go before they get better.

[Distributor of Pain 0]

I would still be playing, if we didn't have these new settings. The only complaint that I had with the pre-PL settings was that the map was far too big and the center was congested with too many tiles. When SWZL came about, they switched to an older, but even bigger map. With privates and the low population we had, you can't flag on a huge map.

 

- Every decision made must be pre-empted with the question, "Will this decision promote flagging or centerkilling?".

- The map size must fluctuate with the population.

- Private freqs need to be removed until the population is larger.

- Staff needs to be active in the zone, taking advantage of population booms to do events. When the flag game ends, get events going. Do a few events and then get another flag game going.

- Get the old settings back, specifically removing 1-flag carrying.

[jaana 0]

yes, remove 1-flag carrying/no resetting. and make it public not privates (privates have been hurting the zone for a very long time now). little ships are worth trying for a little longer though I don't see them working.

 

What is hurting the zone is: Bad experiments turned permanant.

 

It is because people in charge of settings do not play the game and/or do not analyze their effects on game quality.

[ThinkTek 0]

I like the idea of some kind of council or commitee......i think it should be reserved for respected vets and the most active players. The council/commitee/whatever could discuss or maybe even vote on topics/ideas/problems/whatever.No mods or smods or poeple with powers should be on the commitee/council.

[SoM 0]

Okay privates might not work now, but privates did NOT kill this zone.

[Distributor of Pain 0]

QUOTE (ThinkTek @ Sep 29 2005, 09:36 PM)

I like the idea of some kind of council or commitee......i think it should be reserved for respected vets and the most active players. The council/commitee/whatever could discuss or maybe even vote on topics/ideas/problems/whatever.No mods or smods or poeple with powers should be on the commitee/council.

A council/commitee would just end up being a good old boys group that like past attempts at similar councils ended up exluding the ideas of others not in the council and abusing what powers they end up obtaining.

[senti 0]

QUOTE (Distributor of Pain @ Sep 30 2005, 01:59 PM)

A council/commitee would just end up being a good old boys group that like past attempts at similar councils ended up exluding the ideas of others not in the council and abusing what powers they end up obtaining.

Council or comittee? lol. Something that won't work now. And it's already tried by tcdr, but back then there was a possibility that it could work since swz had enough ppl back then.

 

And Distributor of Pain.... rofl

 

The whole idea of a comittee is to have a stronger voice out there. Someone in a comittee is in there for his/her squad. If a squad has an idea or an opinion or complaint about something, it should be considered more seriously since a whole squad stands behind it. Of course, the person on it is important. Some fucker that just shouts and doesn't help his squad this way has no place on it.

 

Squads are ded now. So no comittee.

[GForce 0]

wow i never thought id actually see swz this low...i feel like its some kind of movie where someone will come along and save it.....the settings isnt what killed it...put back original settings with public ships..run events just keep it somewhat alive...GO BACK TO THE BASICS when you have nothing